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Poster: ohme Date: Mar 19, 2010 12:57am
Forum: texts Subject: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT

Hey. How do they know it isn't in copyright? I would like to copy/paste passages to Wikipedia. The item ( ) says "NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT" but also says copyrighted in 1937. So it wasn't renewed? How do they know? Thanks!

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Mar 19, 2010 7:02am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT

Actually it says "Possible copyright status" (ie. "Possible") = NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT ... Internet Archive leaves it to you to decide :)

Gerry will probably weigh in on this but it is possible to check for renewals, since it's 1937 there is a good chance it was not renewed. A quick check at the Copyright Renewal Database at Stanford doesn't show any renewal records. The majority of books published 1923-1963 were never renewed and are now in the PD.

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Poster: ohme Date: Mar 19, 2010 7:19pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT

Thanks! I appreciate your info... and who is Gerry?

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Poster: garthus Date: Mar 19, 2010 8:11pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT


Actually over 90% of all books published between 1923 and 1 March 1989. We either never copyrighted or never had their copyrights renewed in a timely fashion as per Rule 6 of the US Copyright Statutes. In fact you will find that many times a copyright notice was placed on a work, but a registration was never filed. The creator had 1 year to file the registration after the work was published with a copyright notice attached, up until before 1964. After 1964 the rules get more complicated, essentially copyright filings were not required if a notice was attached. Without registration notice, creator retains rites but has no civil remedy if they file suit. This was between 1964 and 1 March 1989.

Copyright laws like most legislation passed by governments is purposefully obfuscated to make work for bottom-feeding politicians, lawyers and associated bureaucratic scum. We can really throw a monkey wrench into their game by posting as much as we can under the Creative Commons License. Generally one can rest assured that most books published in the above-mentioned time periods are in the Public Domain. Of course the original creators of the legislation did not conceive that most writers in the past were more concerned about creating works than in becoming part of the corrupt Corporate-Government grabocracy which passes for our government and unfortunately most of our brain-dead culture today.


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Poster: ohme Date: Mar 20, 2010 3:35pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT


I guess it would be nice if a resource existed that listed copyrights that were *not* renewed. It's easier to prove that that something happened than to prove it didn't. However compiling such a resource would be a monumental task...